the american people this afternoon, as lauren said. it'll be a template for a possible 2024 presidential run, and we should hear from the republicans in their own version in the weeks ahead. this summer, markets already wearily watching the possibility of the fiscal cliff approaching if a debt ceiling deal can't get done. we appreciate you getting up "way too early" with us on this thursday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is thursday, march 9th. we have a lot to cover this morning. president joe biden calling out fox news for a misleading narrative about january 6th from one of its primetime hosts. plus, a republican congressman accused of giving tours days before the attack on the capitol will now lead an

investigation into the january 6th committee. also ahead, ron desantis tries to debunk what he calls myths about his education policy, but his presentation of the facts seem to fall flat. we'll show you what happened. we'll have legal analysis on the doj's report on the louisville police department. a lot to get to. along with joe, willie and me, we have columnist and associate editor for "the washington post," david ignatius. for "usa today," susan page. and the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. >> we have a lot to get to, mika. first, i just love to hear you talk a little bit about what happened last night. yesterday, of course, iconic interviews with really women who made a huge difference over the past 50 years. but that day of iconic interviews turned into an evening of really history-making

speeches. i must say, at times, just speeches that took your breath away, made the audience members cry. it was extraordinary. >> you know, it was a really beautiful event on so many levels. so many different cultures and generations coming together. that was the point of the summit, to have cross-cultural, cross-generational mentoring. but we also saw legends of our time, women who have truly changed the world, getting around a woman who didn't -- wasn't a choice, but she is in the position of being a woman who is changing the world. that is olena zelenska. to have her in abu dhabi, which was last night at the louvre with gloria steinem, billie jae king, hillary clinton, and so many others getting behind her and celebrating her. also celebrating these legends. there were many messages that came out of last night, but the

most important one was, especially on international women's day, is that women can change the world. together, i think we made a little bit of history. >> you really did. willie, it was just an absolutely remarkable evening. a remarkable day. i must say, and i'd be curious what david ignatius thinks of this, as well, but first, willie, to you on this. as we sat down yesterday, mika interviewed, of course, olena zelenskyy. last night at the event, sitting there with hillary clinton, with her, with others, i was struck, and so was mika, by how young she was. i always remembered -- i always remembered a photographer taking a picture of john kennedy and bobby kennedy together and commenting on they were stunned.

the photographer said, "oh, my god, young men, young men's hair." as we saw her and talked to her yesterday, i thought, "my god, what has been thrust on this woman and her husband and the people of ukraine?" i must tell you, just a remarkable display. she proved herself to be an extraordinary goodwill ambassador, not only at this event, but leading this country and others around. it is remarkable, what the zelenskyys are doing. >> it is remarkable. and it is remarkable that she was even there and that she wanted to be a part of that, given that her country is in the middle of a war. that she would take the time and the effort, clearly the effort with everything that comes along with her traveling, to go and be a part of this, it was extraordinary to see her on that panel yesterday. i hear that there is an even more extraordinary -- i'll let you characterize it better, mika -- but interview coming with you and ms. zelenska and

hillary clinton, talking about this war, talking everything that her country has gone through in the last year or so, much more than that, actually. so we really look forward to hearing that. but just to have her there as a presence along with all of those other iconic women really gives this an urgency, this event that you're hosting, mika. >> there's no doubt, mika, that she was here to deliver a message. not only to the people in that audience but also to the people of this country. >> yeah. >> to the people of the world, to this region. she did it. >> yeah. and i think hillary clinton and the many, many incredible women here wanted to make sure they put a frame around her. also, to so many other women who have made such a difference in the fight for equal pay, equal rights, and all the different fights around the world, everything was aired out at this summit here in abu dhabi, which proved itself to be, once again,

the crossroads of the world. you really could have such an intersection, where these conversations were happening. and really happening. also, everyone just seemed so happy. i think the lineup and the way these women came to the table to really talk about things, it was an incredibly joyful event, even given the many challenges that women face around the world. we'll have much more ahead. we'll get now to the news and more on 30/50 a little later. yesterday, we showed you a number of republican senators, including senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, criticizing fox news over how one of its primetime hosts has portrayed the january 6th attack on the capitol. using select footage from the day provided by house speaker kevin mccarthy. yesterday, president biden joined those republicans in speaking out against fox news for allowing that whitewashing

of the insurrection. the president tweeted, more than 140 officers were injured on january 6th. i've said before, how dare anyone diminish or deny the hell they went through. i stand with the capitol police. i hope house republicans feel ashamed for what was done to undermine our law enforcement. a white house spokesman also released a statement saying, quote, we agree with the chief of the capitol police and the wide range of bipartisan lawmakers who have condemned this false depiction of the unprecedented, violent attack on our constitution and the rule of law, which cost police officers their lives. willie? >> an important part of this story is that it all comes against the back drop of a $1.6 billion defamation suit against fox news by dominion voting systems. as part of the discovery process, hundreds of pages of evidence, including full

excerpts of testimony from depositions, along with text messages and emails, have been published, providing an inside look at how network executives and hosts not only knew claims the 2020 election was rigged were false, but that they had open contempt for former president trump. now, trump and his son, don jr., have taken to attacking the network in recent weeks with the former president going after fox chairman rupert murdoch by name, while his son, don jr., attacked executives at the network of harboring an america last, war forever, garbage fold to the democrats' agenda. that's a quote from don jr. there. joe, it remains perplexing that some parts of fox news, but mostly that republicans in the congress and that former president trump want to reopen this wound of january 6th and revisit it and give president biden and give the rest of the country -- >> good way of putting it. >> -- the opportunity to relate

relitigate the terrible day. >> it is stupid politically. we've said it day in and day out. and i guarantee you that republicans in the senate that are being critical, even lindsey graham accusing them and other people of whitewashing the news, it is so stupid for republicans. they're splitting their party in half. they're turning voters that had voted republican their entire lives against them. now, you're seeing, actually, the 45th president and the 46th president attacking the same news network. you know, my gosh, this is an idealogical, a political civil war, jonathan lemire. you now have donald trump attacking fox news. and fox news hosts heaping extraordinary contempt, extraordinary contempt against

the ex-president. >> it's been extraordinary to see. we're getting a look now at these text messages that were sent in real time, that were sent during the final days of the trump administration, during his effort to have the election overturned in the wake of november and december. then, of course, around january 6th. i think it is -- it just shows on full display the hypocrisy and lies that fox news hosts would say one thing on air, say that donald trump had a case to make, that the election may have been stolen, and off air, suggest that, of course, they knew that he was lying. we should keep that in mind as we consider what one fox news host, in particular, in the evening is doing to try to downplay what happened on january 6th. i think, joe and mika and willie, it will be useful to go through some of the text messages. "the new york times" reported from one host in particular, mr. carlson in the evening, he has said these things about trump, per the lawsuit with dominion. he said that trump is good at destroying things. he is an undisputed world champion of that.

he has said that, on trump's decision to skip biden's inauguration, "it's disgusting. i'm trying to look away." he bad mouthed sidney powell. he said of trump, i hate him passionately. tucker carlson called donald trump a demonic force, a destroyer, but he is not going to destroy us. i've been thinking about this every day for four years. he said, we've got two weeks left. we can do this. that was sent on january 6th. again, i think it is so instructive to pull back the curtain here and see what he thought in real time while he said something so very different on air. he continues to push those lies to this very day. >> well, it's -- >> wow. >> -- nothing new for supporters of donald trump. we've been talking for years about -- for those four years that he was saying he worried about every day, we've been talking about members of the

house, members of the senate, republican leaders throughout the states, heaping content on donald trump behind the scenes. saying how much they hated him. republicans saying how much they loathed him. republicans saying how ill suited he was for the presidency. then the camera lights would turn on, and they would lie to their voters. they would lie to their constituents. david ignatius, what is so extraordinary here, it's all out in the open, right? we've known this forever. you've talked to republican leaders, as have i through the years, who would heap contempt on donald trump behind the scenes but never say it publicly. they would tell their base what they thought their base wanted to hear. now, we have this extraordinary moment in american democracy. you have the majority of one party actually being fed lies,

believing those lies and spreading the lies about an american presidential election. an election that even the biggest disinformation broadcasters are saying was won by joe biden. but they're not only lying about that, now they're lying in the middle of a lawsuit, for god's sake, in the middle of a lawsuit about what happened on january 6th. and the brave law enforcement officers, the cops that were beaten within inches of their lives. and lying about cops who lost their lives. david, it's just extraordinary. how does a political party continue to exist based around these toxic lies that are now being shouted from the mountain tops? >> you know, joe, political parties are, unfortunately, pretty good a living with hypocrisy. as you say, we've seen that

two-facd approach from republicans through the trump years. like you, i've heard so many republicans in private criticize what he is doing, how he's ruining the country, but go in public and support him because they're afraid of their base. what's striking about the dominion lawsuit is we're seeing the hypocrisy baked into what is supposedly a news network. seeing some of this testimony in depositions, you realize how far fox has strayed from being a reliable source of news. people say things in private that are accurate, honest assessments of trump, and then go on the air and make claims that are divisive to the country. you have a sense that, like the republican politicians you and i were talking about, fox is chasing what it imagines its viewers, the public on the right want to hear.

that's just never a good position. i wonder how fox is going to recover from this if rupert murdoch and others really want the network to become more stable again after the trump period. >> joe mentioned senator lindsey graham. here's what he said yesterday. this is lindsey graham saying, i don't want to be part of any day. i don't want to take part in whitewashing january 6th. it was an attack on the capitol. the people involved in violence should go to jail, said lindsey graham yesterday. saying, again, it was not a peaceful day. let's bring in staff writer at "the atlantic," mark leibovich. you've covered fox news, you've written about fox news in your recent book, as well. what do you make of this? i guess it is not terribly surprising. but to see it in black and white. we know, having covered these politicians so long, what they say in private and what they say

in public about donald trump is 180 degrees. what do you make of the releases particularly in the dominion lawsuit, the discovery we all have access to now? >> yeah, i think as david eluded to, i mean, we've seen this hypocritical two-step, you know, in the republican party really baked in since trump came on in a writ large form. obviously, like you said, hypocrisy is nothing new in american politics in either party, but just the level has been ramped up. also, i mean, around the election, around january 6th, around really everything since then litigating everything from even the text messages and the emails that came out around the january 6th committee, we saw a lot of the same trepidation, a lot of the same, really, hypocrisy, two-facedness in the dominion suit and everything coming around with that. look, again, it's so striking to see a news organization go through this. again, i don't think it'll affect their bottom line too

much unless dominion wins. dominion could very well win this suit. it is a $1.6 billion lawsuit which could really, you know, hurt and could have a lot of ripples. ultimately, their ratings, i assume, have been pretty high over the last -- they've been sky high the last few years and will continue to be. for the most part, the viewers are not getting this news. we are talking here. it is clear as day to anyone who is following this story, but the vast majority of people watching fox all day are not following the story because they're not getting it from fox. ultimately, the information ghetto gets narrower and narrower and narrower. i'm sick of asking how these people live with themselves, but this is the central dynamic of the republican party, so much of the right, of the trump kingdom, of fox, of so many entities that have dominated the right over the last several years. >> susan page, mark is exactly right. it's the same dynamic at play here, isn't it? you have republican members of

congress, member politicians afraid of their own base. that's why they won't criticize donald trump. you see again in black and white in the emails and text messages hosts at fox news afraid of their own viewers, saying, we have to feed them what they want. we don't believe any of this stuff, but our numbers are dipping here around january 6th, around the inauguration of president biden. we got to get back on board with what our viewers want. let's feed them things we know are not true. >> what's extraordinary is the only people in america who watch news and aren't aware of these remarkable disclosures from the dominion lawsuit are fox viewers. it's a story that fox is not covering. howie kurtz, fox's long-time media critic, says he has been told he is not allowed to cover that story. it is not as though they are -- the network is apparently abashed by the revelations we've seen come out from this lawsuit. by the way, i think it's hard to whitewash an event we all say in

real time on television, which is what happened on january 6th. >> yeah. a group of house republicans is going after the committee that investigated the deadly january 6th attack on the capitol. the gop-led house administration's subcommittee on oversight is launching an investigation into the democrat-led january 6th committee that expired when democrats lost control of the house in january. the republican probe will look into whether key information about the insurrection was left out from the high-profile probe, along with analyzing how the january 6th panel conducted its investigation. to that end, the subcommittee has launched an online portal to collect tips from the public. republican congressman louder loudermilk will lead the investigation.

he was accused of giving tours in the days leading up to the riot. video footage showed him guiding a tour of capitol office buildings during a time when the complex was closed to visitors because of pandemic restrictions. the january 6th committee alleged that a man seen taking photos on loudermilk's tour later posted the photos online. the same man apparently posted videos inside the capitol on january 6th in which he is heard threatening senator chuck schumer, then house speaker nancy pelosi, congressman jerry nadler and congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. loudermilk denied giving the tour, but when more evidence came out, he denied wrongdoing. he's since deied the group he was leading was using the tour to inspect the facility ahead of the riots. >> right before the riots. jonathan lemire, again, you

wrote the book on this, on the big lie leading up to the riot and the riots. here you have, again, another republican that just flat out lied, got caught lying about what he did. i mean, it reminds me so much of the georgia republican who was there with the guards, trying to keep the mob out. i forget the guy's name. he was trying to keep the mob out from killing members of congress on the floor. then he gets scared and talked about how they were just tourists. it was another day of tourists at the capitol. you take this all the way to the top. you've got kevin mccarthy who, of course, released this security footage that everybody is talking about right now. who was screaming at donald trump at the top of his lungs on january 6th. saying, "you're responsible for it." it was kevin mccarthy who attacked donald trump on the floor, saying he was responsible for those riots. who is now, of course, backing

down, again, for the same reason that all these other things are happening. it all comes down to cowardice. in this case, cowardice comes at a horrific price to american democracy. >> yeah. the first example of that post january 6th cowardice came from mcccarthy went to mar-a-lago. he didn't just go but apologized to donald trump for the harsh phone call on january 6th. trump's rehabilitation began in that moment. fox news is trying to rehabilitate trump, down play what happened january 6th. some voices are saying the party should turn the page, but most of it still wants to be beholden to trump's base, fearful of trump's base. of course, in congress, you're seeing congressman loudermilk, who has lied repeatedly about what happened on january 6th, taking another moment as part of the republican effort to investigate the investigators.

this is the same with the committee -- the investigation into the committee to weaponize government. so much of what the house gop is trying to do right now, out of step with what the american people say they want them to do, but they're all about alleging deep space conspiracies, trying to speak that a narrower and narrower part of their electorate. >> joe, one more note as we talk about the politics of it and the wisdom or lack thereof of republicans reopening this wound and talking about it publicly. there is a group of republicans, led by marjorie taylor greene, planning a visit to the prison where some of these men and women are being held, people who beat up cops. >> what the -- >> treating them like political prisoners. she went in 2021 and said it was like prisoners of war, men with tears streaming down their faces, just feeding any democrat, just feeding the president of the united states, just feeding anyone who wants

it, more material on this terrible, terrible day in american history. treating it like she and the people in prison are the real victims. >> again -- >> crazy. >> -- you -- >> who are these people? >> they're idiots who are doing what is not in the best interest of their party, not in the best interest of democracy, not in the best interest of this country. it is extraordinary every day. we see one example after another example after another example of these people out of control and doing things that are hurting their own party. doing things that are hurting the conservative cause. yes, like i said before, doing things that hurt this country. to investigate the investigators. they tried this with the durham investigation. this guy was humiliated. they're doing it again, investigating the investigators. >> clowns.

>> it is a clown show. again, you have to wonder what republicans who actually want to win elections in 2024 are thinking. >> even before that, they're wasting the time and the money and the honor of their jobs, and they are wasting the american people's time with this garbage. with fake investigations, with gesticular politics. just fake, ridiculous pushing of the envelope on conspiracies, when there is real work that needs to be done. >> think about cops getting beaten up with american flags. think about cops who lost their lives after january 6th. and their families believe, the police force believes for injuries sustained on january 6th. you actually have republicans embracing the rioters. you actually have republicans embracing the insurrectionists. you actually have republicans saying that this sort of behavior in america that you're watching on your screen right

now, american flags, the generations of men and women have fought and died to protect and defend ideals of that flag and the constitution of the united states, those flags being used to beat up cops. >> you have a network whitewashing that? >> beat up cops to try to overturn a peaceful election. i mean, i don't -- i shouldn't have to explain this to people that have an iq of more than, like, 40 or 50. i shouldn't have to explain this to 'em, right? this is simple stuff. you can't be on the side of rioters. you can't be on the side of mobs that want to overturn a peaceful election. you can't be on the side of insurrectionists. yet, mika, they are. >> before we go to break, we want to share some news we've been following overnight. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell is hospitalized after

falling at a washington, d.c., hotel last night. according to his spokesperson, mcconnell, who is 81 years old, tripped during a private dinner. he was admitted to the hospital where he is receiving treatment. no immediate details are being released about his condition. we're going to bring you updates as we learn them. of course, we wish them the very best and hope for a very speedy recovery. >> speedy recovery. >> for senator mitch mcconnell. still ahead on "morning joe," the latest from ukraine following a new series of russian missile attacks targeting critical infrastructure across the war-torn country. plus, the justice department issues a scathing rebuke of the louisville police department after an investigation into the death of breonna taylor in 2020. also ahead, democratic senator elizabeth warren is our guest this morning. we'll ask her about the budget fight playing out on capitol hill. and as we go to break, here is democratic congressman jamie raskin, who served as a member

of the house select committee that investigated january 6th, speaking on the house floor yesterday against the disinformation being spread about what actually happened the day of the capitol attack. >> all starts, of course, with january 6th. before that, the presidential election. all starts with a big lie. donald trump's big lie. well, they say, well, who knows? maybe he won, maybe he didn't. you say joe biden is president. we say donald trump is president. nonsense. 60 federal and state courts rejected every claim of electoral fraud and corruption they put forward. 60 central and state courts rejected every claim. they don't have a single court that ever ruled in their favor. donald trump lost that election by more than 7 million votes. 306 to 232 in the electoral college.

so then their big lie now has to stretch all the way over january 6th. we have to disbelieve the evidence of our own eyes, of our own ears. we saw them come and descend upon this chamber, which congress, wounding and injuring 150 of our police officers, breaking people's noses, breaking people's fingers, putting people in the hospital. already, they're back on the news with big lies, saying, no, no, no, it was a tourist visit. like these real tourists up here who come and watch representatives of the united states congress say there's no difference between truth and lies. real tourists who are not beating the daylights out of our police officers.

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you don't say affirmative or some [ bleep ] like that. you say, no problemo. if someone comes with an attitude, say, eat me. if you want to shine them on, it's hasta la vista, baby. >> hasta la vista, baby. >> why are we showing a clip from "terminaor 2"? mark's latest piece, "arnold schwarzenegger's last act, what happens when the terminator turns 75." it's a typically great piece from you. i was reading it last night. the detail, the image of the two of you speeding through red lights on your bicycles through santa monica, just great stuff. tell me, what interested you about visiting arnold schwarzenegger in the first place at this point in his life? >> well, he turned 75 this year or last year. i was struck by that. this is someone so entrenched

america, in sports, this bodybuilder, this box office legend, someone who got into politics and was elected in the biggest state in the country on his first try. he's proven he can talk to pretty much every corner of the world. i mean, he talked to -- he tried to make an appeal to the russian people, to vladimir putin after the invasion last year. he's made a video this week trying to appeal to neo-nazis, saying, don't go down the path you are going to. arnold's father was a nazi. he fought in hitler's army in world war ii. arnold came up in the shdow of that. i went with him around the world. we went to auschwitz, biking in santa monica, went to the gym, did the hollywood thing. he's just this extraordinary, really singular specimen of american life. he is getting old. all his friends are dying. it was a striking moment of sort of getting to spend a few months in the shadow of someone who is

just larger than life in the most literal sense of america. one of the most extraordinary profiles i've ever worked on and one of the most extraordinary american lives i've ever sort of seen play out. >> i noticed you were quick to point out you bench pressed more than arnold schwarzenegger when you were pushing weight at the gym. important detail there. sort of the thread and the theme of the piece is that he's always looked for the next thing. incredibly ambitious. he's a bodybuilder, will be mr. olympia. he does that. what's next? huge hollywood star, biggest in the world. what's next? politics. becomes the governor of california. now, he's hit a wall of, it's not clear what's next. what does he do from here? >> right. i mean, what's interesting is that in the last few years, in a weird, ironic way, the trump years have given a purpose. he has put up these little viral videos, you know, during the pandemic, after january 6th,

after charlottesville, after the russian invasion. even, again, this week, sort of his anti-hate videos that have gone remarkably viral. in this time when there is no political center at all, he's taken it upon himself and sort of like trump in some ways, leveraged celebrity but not for the toxic, divisive ways that trump has. i mean, you know, arnold has sort of been on the right side of a lot of common sense issues and very core sort of american and global decency issues over the last few years. that's sort of become a platform for him. like so many things in this quirky, social media world, who saw it coming? arnold has this unmatched authority. all of a sudden, he starts showing up at auschwitz. all of of a sudden, he is washing his hands and teaching people how to get through their pandemic days. he's all of a sudden, in this weird way, everywhere all at once again. >> he's sort of found himself. the piece with social media, giving him a presence and a

voice again. mark leibovich, the piece is up right now. great to see you. >> thanks, willie. turning overseas, a series of missile and drone attacks struck a number of major cities overnight in ukraine. five people were killed in the western region of lviv after a rocket struck a residential area. one person was killed in a missile strike near the miss of dnipro. in kyiv, two large explosions were reported an hour apart that injured at least two people. city official says the attacks in the capital included cruise missiles and iranian-made drones. the explosions triggered a power outage for 15% of the city. meanwhile, in the port city of o dcember -- odesa, missiles struck. in kharkiv, 15 missiles struck there, as well. in total, the ukrainian military reports 81 missiles and 8 drones were fired overnight and into early this morning with 34 of

those missiles being shot down. david ignatius, this is the most missiles, the most aggressive attack in some time, particularly in kyiv and odesa, where we haven't seen this in a while. what do you make of the timing from russia here? >> willie, this is a spasm of violence. reports are that the russians actually used six hypersonic missiles, which are the most advanced in their arsenal in this wave of attacks. you can only think that the russians are trying evermore desperately to intimidate the people of ukraine, just as they are trying on the front lines in bakhmut, throwing wave after wave of prisoners who are just put in there to die, to try to clear lanes in the trench warfare. in the skies, the russians keep throwing missiles that are

really anti-civilian weapons. whether they're trying to take out the power stations or other targets. i think it's a sign that putin is determined to try to subdue the ukrainians, to persist in what has been, so far, a completely unsuccessful campaign against the government. he is continuing. there is no sign he is prepared to negotiate yet. the idea he'd use hypersonic missiles against a smaller country, pounded after so many months of bombardment is, to me, astonishing. >> david, it's jonathan. when you speak to your sources there at the pentagon and elsewhere in the government, what's their level of concern about what they're seeing in bakhmut? not that russia might take the town, but, rather, it is strategically an unimportant city. ukraine is using a lot of resources in its defense. there has been some chatter it can sap their ability to mount a major counteroffensive in the

spring. what's the latest on what the u.s. thinks ukraine is going to be able to do? >> jonathan, as always, response of u.s. officials is to say it's the decisions of ukraine and their commanders. jake sullivan, our national security adviser, and general milley of the joint chiefs, just talked with the commander of ukrainian forces and the presidential chief of staff. i'm sure they're talking in part about the situation in be bakhmut. general -- former general austin, our secretary of defense, has suggested that a tactical redeployment, in effect a retreat in bakhmut, may make sense. this is so important symbolically, that president zelenskyy has decided he wants to stay and fight at least a while longer. whether that's sensible in military terms, given as you say, what a trivial strategic position bakhmut is, is, you

know, certainly subject to question. the symbolic importance today is enormous. >> this widespread attack just in the last 12 hours be accelerate calls for the united states to provide more support. the ukrainian air force tweeting within the last hour, "we need f-16s." david ignatius, thank you very much. ahead in our next hour, we'll speak with white house national security spokesman john kirby on this and much more. ahead this hour, why the city of memphis is delaying the release of documents and video in the tyre nichols case. msnbc legal analyst charles coleman will join us to break down the justice department's review of the louisville police department. "morning joe" is coming right back. and to president putin, i say, you started this war. you are leading this war. you can stop this war. now, let me close with a message to all of the russians who have been protesting on the streets against the invasion of ukraine.

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the department of justice has finished its two-year review of the louisville police department. the investigation into police practices was launched after the 2020 shooting death of breonna taylor. authorities yesterday outlined systemic problems within the department, including years of discrimination. nbc news national correspondent miguel almaguer has details. >> reporter: the scathing report from the department of justice unveiled a damning assessment of the louisville metro police department. saying lmpd has long engaged in a troubling pattern of discriminatory law enforcement practices. investigators from the doj cited serious unlawful abuses,

especially against black people. >> some officers have demonstrated disrespect for the people they are sworn to protect. some have videotaped themselves throwing drinks at pedestrians from their cars, insulted people with disabilities, and called black people monkeys, animal and boy. this conduct is unacceptable. >> reporter: the troubling 86-page report cites uses of excessive force, unjustified neck restraints, and the unreasonable use of police dogs and tasers. officers also conducted searches based on invalid warrants, unlawfully stopped, searched and detained citizens, and violated the rights of people engaged in protected speech critical of policing. the u.s. attorney general specifically cited a specialized unit originally called viper. >> the unit's activities were part of an overall enforcement

approach that resulted in significant and unlawful racial disparities. >> reporter: the two-year review into lmpd was launched after the 2020 shooting death of breonna taylor. the botched raid in which taylor was not a suspect helped expose what federal authorities now call a pattern or practice of conduct that deprives people of their rights. >> i don't know what to think, to know that this thing should have never happened. and it took three years for anybody else to say that it shouldn't have happened. >> reporter: the failure to protect and serve at the cost of community trust. >> miguel almaguer reporting there. let's bring in msnbc legal analyst charles coleman. good morning. good to see you. so here's the review. here's the assessment of what's wrong. now what? what happens as a result of this? >> that's a great question, willie. merrick garland talked in his press conference yesterday, there's now going to be an independent monitor that will

oversee a consent decree with respect to the police department. louisville metro police department is going to be responsible for fulfilling certain targets within consent decree, and the independent monitor will make sure it happens. it goes far but not far enough. we've seen this before, and i'm skeptical how it'll end. decrees can only go as far as they're written on paper in terms of changing culture. this is systemic, and there are no individual officers that i am aware of that have been charged with respect to the wrongdoing that came from the report. the significance there is that qualified immunity still serves as a shield of accountability. that is a big problem and a barrier to culture change when you're talking about law enforcement in america. >> that's been a hangup in any legislation in the congress, with a lot of members of congress saying we're not going to get rid of qualified immunity. that's held up the proposed legislation. how significant is it that the justice department, that the

national united states department of justice took this on to maybe put down a marker, not just in louisville but for other police departments, about what it will and will not have. >> this was not something being done previously, and it makes a very, very strong statement. the other thing that makes a strong statement is that the pattern or practice designation legally says a whole lot about what this means systemically about what was going on. this was not isolated. these were not a few rogue officers. this was a part of the culture of louisville metro police department. that's clear by the designation. the question that i have, though, is when are we going to start believing black people? yes, the federal government came in, they did an investigation as they should have, and they uncovered what many had been saying was going on in that city for a very long time. i think if anything comes from it, it should be the recognition that we need to listen to the

people who are in community and talking about what is ailing them and what is wrong with systemic racism within american policing. >> obviously, this is merits, you make a great point, but there is a political moment. it's this balance of people calling for police reform, but also when crime is up in so many cities, how is that factoring into what these individual departments are saying in trying to defend their officers' behavior? >> great question, jonathan. i think a lot of it has to do with the sensationalized nature of how we discuss america's crime problem. first, it is important to understand that violent crime in america is less than 20% of the total crime that is addressed by police. not to mention, the fact that when you're talking about crime in america, you're not talking about data-driven solutions. that is part of the issue. our solution to crime in america is always more police. throw more money to police. give more money and resources to police. that does not solve crime

because that's not why crime occurs. crime does not occur because there is an absence of police. crime occurs because there is an absence of community with opportunity. that's the issue. you have to invest in community, create opportunities, create things that give people alternatives that do not end one a false sense of competition for resources that may not be available, such that these people are able to thrive and survive. >> the justice department announced it'll also open an investigation into the memphis police department. the doj's office of community-oriented policing oe services will review the city's law enforcement with a separate probe into the department's specialized units. that city's policing practices have come under scrutiny after the beating death of tyre nichols earlier this year. nichols, you'll remember, was beaten brutally by officers during a traffic stop and died in the hospital three days later. the five former officers who were members of the memphis police department's now disbanded scorpion unit have been charged with murder. they all plead not guilty last

month. and the city of memphis is delaying the release of the video of the arrest that night. they were to release documents and 20 hours of footage, but the judge sided with defense lawyers who said they need to review the video before it is released to the public. what does this tell you, that doj is getting involved, as well? >> they are making a message that they are not going to allow police practices in america to remain broken. they understand the severity of the many complaints that have resulted from cities like memphis with respect to these issues around police violence. i think that establishing a consistent measure will give a guide post to police departments across the country. the message is clear, you need to do better. >> msnbc legal analyst charles coleman, we always appreciate your expertise. good to see you. >> you, as well. up next, four-star retired admiral james stavridis weighs in on the russian missile strikes that hit cities across ukraine overnight.

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smoke over kyiv early this morning as russian forces launch wide-ranging missile attacks across ukraine. retired four-star navy admiral james stavridis will join us with more insight on this escalation. also this hour, national security council spokesman john kirby joins us to talk about the state of the war in ukraine and the growing tensions with china. welcome back to "morning joe." it is thursday, march 9th. jonathan lemire and susan page are still with us. joining the conversation, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle with us. we have a lot going on this

hour. starting with ukraine. >> we have so much going on, mika. of course, we've been talking about the event that you had here. also, though, we had a chance to sit down with hillary clinton, the former secretary of state, of course, and madame zelenska. quite a wide-ranging interview that we're going to be showing on monday. >> yeah. yesterday, joe and i sat down for an exclusive, joint interview with the first lady of ukraine, olena zelensky, and former secretary of state hillary clinton. joe asked zelenska about the story we've heard since the start of the war, of an elderly ukrainian woman handing sunflower seeds to russian soldiers, telling them that when they die, at least something good can grow from the soil. zelenska said there are many such stories of defiance and strength by the women of ukraine. take a look. >> translator: one of the women

saw a drone from her balcony and hit it, shot it down over a jar of tomatoes. so to shoot down a drone with a jar of tomatoes, perhaps it is another something a ukrainian woman can do. we hear the stories. if that inspires, let's believe that to be true. >> what's the saying, when the legend becomes the truth, print the legend, right? >> wow. >> exactly. of course, we're going to be playing that exclusive, joint interview on "morning joe" and more on monday. if you can actually say, talking about taking down drones from the enemy is light hearted, that's about as light hearted as that interview got. she actually came to abu dhabi and came to this area to talk about the challenges that they're facing in ukraine. extraordinarily moving. >> very powerful.

>> this interview, a very powerful interview. very powerful interview about what ukraine needs. the suffering, the massive suffering, especially the suffering that women are enduring in this conflict along with their loved ones that are also fighting the war and dying. also, mika, hillary clinton talking about how the united states is doing so much. europe is doing so much. but the world needs to do more. >> yeah. susan page, i'm just curious, given the many stories coming out of ukraine about the resilience of the women and familyings, those who have chosen to stay there, olena zelenska, a symbol of courage, of the women of ukraine and also the families that were very displaced. it was quite an event, to have her here. >> you've really seen the rise of these very powerful figures

in ukraine. the president, president zelenskyy, and also his wife, as you mentioned, is becoming, you know, unexpectedly, i think, inspirational figures in the world. they must watch -- be watching with some concern. i'd be interested if she talked about this with you, about the growing debate in the united states about the level and consistency of u.s. support for ukraine. we know there is a debate in this country. we saw that the new speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy, declined an invitation to visit ukraine. i wonder if that is something that is of concern. did you hear about that? >> well, we will save a lot of it for the interview, but i will say that she didn't mince words. neither did hillary clinton. >> no, no, they didn't. >> in the interview. >> i will say, the one thing that both of them agreed on was that there has been rare

bipartisanship among democrats and republicans. i understand kevin mccarthy, again, is playing to his isolationist america first, which is actually not america first. it's actually america last on the world stage, that sort of base. at the end of the day, we've seen republicans and democrats stand shoulder to shoulder. the most powerful republicans, mika, on committees, siding with democrats. joe biden with most of america. in supporting what ronald reagan, what your father, what so many people fought for their entire life. that was freedom in europe. freedom across the globe. and the pushing back against raw, naked, ugly russian aggression. that's what this debate is about. that's why republicans at the end of the day are going to continue to stand shoulder to

shoulder with democrats, joe biden and others who believer ukraine should be supported. >> yeah. china was front and center yesterday as u.s. intelligence leaders appeared on capitol hill and laid out the biggest threats facing the united states. nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitchell has more. >> reporter: china's president xi jinping's control over the communist party and the military being ratified this week in beijing. the greatest long term globalcc intelligence officials. >> the people's republic of china is challenging the united states economically, technologically, militarily around the world remains our unparalleled priority. >> reporter: threatening america with control after global supply chains. development of advanced weapons, plans to take over taiwan, and cyber espionage. technology and social media. >> could they use tiktok to control data on millions of users? >> yes. >> could they use it to control the software on millions of

devices given the opportunity to do so? >> yes. >> reporter: republicans hammering home china's cover-up in the lab leak theory on the origins of covid, not animal to human transmission. >> i just don't understand why you continue to maintain on behalf of the intelligence community that these are two equally plausible explanations. they simply are not. >> i share your frustration with the fact that china hasn't been more cooperative on this issue. >> reporter: the annual report highlighting china's increased efforts to meddle in elections at the state and lcal levels, but says china still wants a stable relationship with the u.s. >> let's bring in right now the former supreme ally of nato, navy admiral james stavridis. chief analyst for nbc news. i'm curious, you look across the globe, what are the top threats? think they got it about right

yesterday? >> i do, joe. i think that what's happening in ukraine, russia, significant, obviously. has unified nato to stand against that kind of aggression. but, russia is an operational challenge. at the strategic level, the point that was made quite well yesterday, frankly on both sides of the questioning line -- i thought the congress did a good job pushing the intelligence community. in the intelligence community, those are the heads of the agencies there at that hearing. they answered up. they stood and delivered the strategic concerns. long term, clearly china outpaces. are there some other things we ought to worry about to include the environment, for example, what's happening in the middle east, iran, north korea? look, there are plenty of threats go around, but strategically, i think you've got to put china at the top. >> admiral, i'm curious about what you're hearing, what you

can tell us about the latest state of play in ukraine. the war, obviously, grinds on in many places, like world war i type attrition. yet, it seems to me that both sides are suggesting that we're in a bit of a tipping point, at least in the east. the ukrainians say the russians just aren't going to have too many prisoners left to throw at the ukrainian front line forces. you also, of course, have the head of the wagner group talking about, basically admitting as much. so i'm curious your take on the east and also your take on the increased attacks, the missile attacks last night. i've got to say, every time i see those missile attacks, i see it as a sign of weakness. because it shows that putin understands he can't do anything on the ground, so he's just going to try to terrorize

residents with random missile attacks. >> indeed. let's start with the missile attacks. they were significant. they are war crimes in the sense that they go after civilian targets. they're particularly targeting the critical electrical infrastructure in the dead of winter. all of that deep impact on civilians. you can add this wave to the stack of war crimes that is reaching to the skies, committed by vladimir putin. tactically, not terribly significant. of note, they used hypersonic, very, very, very high-speed cruise missiles in this attack. used a bag of those. they're running out of them. operationally, not going to have a fight in the east as you raised. you mentioned world war i. i'll reach to world war ii. every time he launches this, i think of london in the blitz.

how did the british respond when hitler went after them from the skies? it stiffened their resolve. it made churchill the figure he became. ultimately, it was counterproductive and, as you say, a sign of weakness. final thought, as you look in the east at the offensives, there are two clocks ticking here, right? one is putin's loss of soldiers, material, equipment, tanks, drones, missiles. that clock is ticking, and he is running out. over here, for president zelenskyy, the clock that's ticking is the support of the west. our job, my view, is to make sure that zelenskyy's clock is the one that succeeds, that we maintain our strength together. that's why interviews like you're going to show with madame zelenska are incredibly important to help the american people understand why we need this clock, the putin clock, to run out and keep this clock

running. that's our job, joe. >> admiral, let me ask you a couple of questions about two different regions of the world. one, the aforementioned ukraine you were talking about, and the missile attacks last evening. 80 rockets fired. six of them hypersonic missiles. it appears they don't have a lot in the number of those missiles. russia does not have a lot of them. switching gears, after you give us your articulate answer on that question, china. china has a transactional relation to some degree with r important priority? propping up russia or the pacific rim, from okinawa through the bay? what would they be more concerned about? >> both great questions. in terms of the cruise missiles, you're correct. the russians have only a

handful, maybe 50 more of these hypersonic cruise missiles, according to what i hear and see. as a result, the fact that they're going to deploy 10% of them in a single strike tells you they think we are approaching a kind of pivotal moment. i think it's a sign of weakness. i agree with joe on that one. we'll see more of these kind of strikes, unfortunately, but, again, the key here is keep that clock ticking. knock 'em down. that's why air defense systems are important to the ukrainians. long-range surface to surface missiles would be very helpful. we should continue to give them what they need. give them the tools. they will complete the job. switching to china, joe -- or mike, excuse me. switching to china, yes, china is much more concerned about the pacific. that's the geography. but what china is really concerned about is their

economy. it had a significant slowdown last year, down to about 3% growth which, for them, is terrible. they need to get it up to 5%. ultimately, they're not looking for an ongoing confrontation. they're pushing back on the united states in the pacific. ultimately, their main focus is going to continue to be their economy. that's a lever for us as we think about deterring them from aiding russia in this conflict. >> susan page mentioned the direct invitation speaker kevin mccarthy got from ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy to visit ukraine. mccarthy has repeatedly said the house republican majority won't issue a, quote, blank check for ukraine aid. which zelenskyy referenced when issuing that invitation. >> translator: i think that speaker mccarthy, he never visited kyiv or ukraine. i think it would help him with

his position. when you come to us, when the democrats and republicans come to us, they see the supply routes. every shell, every bullet, every dollar. mr. mccarthy, he has to come here to see how we work, what's happening here, what war caused us, which people are fighting now. after that, make your assumptions. >> i will continue to get you briefings to others, but i don't have to go to ukraine or kyiv to see it. my point has always been, i won't provide a blank check for anything. >> susan page, obviously, he's not accepting the invitation. i will say this, kevin mccarthy went to poland in the early stages of the war. spoke with ambassador brzezinski

along with many other republicans. again, never has suggested for a moment that he was going to back off support of ukraine. i wonder what internal pressures he's starting to feel in the house gop and wonder if that's going to grow in the coming months. what do you hear from your reporting? >> yes, i think this is one more example of the constraints on speaker mccarthy because his margin of votes in the house is so very narrow and because he has this robust freedom caucus that has -- tends to be spectacle of aid to ukraine ze despite the support of most americans for continued aid there. it is an issue for him on january 6th. you know speaker mccarthy doesn't want to keep talking about january 6th. i can't believe he is enthusiastic about marjorie taylor greene taking a group of members of congress to visit with january 6th defendants in jail. we'll see it, i think, also in

the budget debate that's coming up. there are members of the freedom caucus and the most conservatives in the house that think we ought to tackle issues like medicare and social security, something that -- cuts to medicare and social security, something speaker mccarthy declared to be off the table. this creates complications not only for speaker mccarthy's governing now, it creates problems for his hopes to hold his majority in the house in the next election. >> mika, susan brings up such a great point about mtg actually going to prisons. >> my god. >> to talk to rioters. people may think, how in the world could anybody do that? it is important we circle back to what i've talked about for quite some time. it's the gem and tammy faye bakker approach to politics. >> scam artists. >> the regular church attenders

aren't moved by this stuff. regular voters that go out and vote want to hear about national defense. they want a strong american national defense. they care about medicare, medicaid, social security, the things that susan was talking about. but this is not how you raise millions and millions of dollars from the most extreme, small donors across america. you look at the people that make the most extreme statements, do the most extreme things. it's in their best interest, in their one district because of the money they raise. it's just horrible for the rest of the party. and it seems like the republican party is going to continue to fall victim to this. i say that as a backdrop, admiral stavridis, to say, it's always important to remember when we hear people speaking in extreme ways about foreign policy, it's important to remember that even during the trump years, while donald trump

was hmiliaing himself in front of vladimir putin and the world in helsinki, with other statements that he made, attacking our nato allies, attacking people that were fighting for freedom, it's always important to remember that the republican senate, time and time again, voted for tough sanctions against vladimir putin. it's almost like the more extreme donald trump statements were and the more reckless donald trump's statements were, the stronger the republicans were against putin's aggression. i think that's something we have to keep in mind when we start hearing this chattering from back benchers and even from some people on the front row of this republican house. >> completely agree. here, when we talk about the world and how they see us, the world is a pretty complicated

place. there are three big audiences out there. one is our allies, partners and friends. nato at the top of the list. here, during the trump years, the president, that president, denigrated nato frequently. but quietly, steadily, the congress continued to push, our military worked with nato, we kept that alive. today, we have the most vibrant, absolute alliance in the world today in nato. that's one audience, joe. the other, of course, is the autocracies, russia, china, iran, north korea, cuba, venezuela. they are watching very closely. they see our divisions here as weakness. then, third, you know, there's a huge swing vote out there of nations that aren't really aligned one way or the other. the brazil, nigeria, south africa, pakistan, many, many of them. we've got to be cognisant of that center audience. i put india at the top of the list there.

we need to be communicating that we are part of the fabric of this international world in positive ways. boy, if you don't do that, over time, that jungle creeps back. >> retired admiral james stavridis, thank you very, very much for being on this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," national security council spokesman john kirby will join us to weigh in on the fighting in ukraine and the push for continued support for the war-torn country. also ahead, the ceo of norfolk southern is scheduled to appear before lawmakers today to answer questions about a string of recent trail derailments. we'll hear from two women living in east palestine who are attending that hearing. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. nexium 24hr prevents heartburn acid

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in the last month, i lost in bakhmut area at least seven of my very close friends. and this is the -- just a demonstration, the price ukraine pays for this disastrous aggression. this is not an argument. we are here protecting not only ukraine. we are here protecting the whole free and democratic world. >> that's former ukrainian poro talking about the personal losses he's endured as a result of russia's war on his country. joining us now, national security council for communications at the white house, admiral john kirby. thanks for being with us this morning. it's been a brutal 24 hours in ukraine with russian launching about 81 missiles, by most reports, perhaps iranian drones,

as well, attacking infrastructure in places like odesa, going back to kyiv. what do you read into the latest assault from the russians? >> we're still kind of piecing it together, willie, but it certainly seems to be of a piece of the kind of brutalizing tactics that mr. putin has been willing to visit upon the ukrainian people the last several months. the last time he did something of this size was about two weeks ago, so it is certainly not out of the norm for him. it's clearly, and you said it best, these are targets that were largely civilian infrastructure. he is trying to knock out the lights. he is trying to turn off the heat. he's trying to do it all over the country. some of the strikes occurred as far west as lviv, right near the polish border. >> right. that's really pushing deeper into the country, as you say, than they have been in some time. so is there some timing that you all is assessed here that is significant for the russians at this point in the war? >> it's difficult to know specifically, willie, whether there's some sort of timing

aspect to this, whether it's the beginning of a kick-off of larger offensive opoperations. again, when we look at what happened overnight, it is very much in keeping with the kinds of attacks he's been doing in recent weeks and months. we know the fighting is vicious around bakhmut in the donbas area there, but we haven't seen indications elsewhere along that long front line that sweeps all the way down near kherson. a major ground offensive may be soon. >> admiral, supposedly, we're told about 80 missiles were fired. six of them were the hypersonic missiles. maybe they have as many as 50 of those supersonic missiles. what does that tell you? >> we can't confirm the use of hypersonic missiles. that said, it wouldn't be atypical. russians have fired supersonics into ukraine in the past.

we don't believe that the use of hypersonics are a game-changer for the russians. it could be that they are running that low on other munitions and cruise missiles that they needed to fire. they needed to dig into their inventory of hypersonics. it could be they were trying to send a strong message to ukraine and the west about their capabilities. clearly, you don't need a hypersonic missile to hit a power plant or a fixed building. so it is difficult to know exactly what they were thinking here. again, we can't confirm the use of hypersonics. >> admiral, good morning. it's jonathan. one of the targets was odesa, the port city that plays a key part in the black sea. we should note, the grain deal struck with ukraine expires in a week's time. we know when it was struck, there had been real concern if a deal wasn't brokered, so much of the world could starve. what is the level of concern as putin launches these missiles, that he may not be willing to negotiate for an extension of the deal? >> we're worried about that.

the extension is coming up, and we want to see it extended. it's made a difference, the grain deal, in terms of helping provide low and middle income countries additional food stuffs and keep their food security at a higher level. so we want to see this grain deal extended. it is not the first time that he has hit odesa. in fact, the last time he hit odesa, he hit a grain terminal, which absolutely affected the ability of that port to get grain out on ships and through the black sea. it is deeply concerning. odesa remains something that we know the russians still have ambitions for. because it is such a major port on the black sea, because it is so critical to ukraine's economy. >> admiral, the assessment from american intelligence, that china may be getting ready to provide lethal aid to russia has spilled out into the newspapers over the last couple of weeks. do you have any update on that? do you believe that china is now or at least is preparing to provide material lethal aid to

russia? >> we still don't believe they've taken this off the table. but we haven't seen any firm indications that we can point to to confirm that they have provided any kind of lethal weapons to russia. look, we still believe it's not in their interest to do this. if they care about their standing in the international community, if they care about human rights at all, they wouldn't come in on the side of putin to help him kill more ukrainians. we made it very clear to them privately, we've certainly made it clear publicly, our concerns about this. we hope china makes the right decision here. >> what if they don't? admiral, what if they cross the line and provide lethal aid to russia? how does that change things for the biden administration? >> secretary blinken talked about that, willie. certainly, we'd have to make some decisions. i really don't want to speculate about what that would look like when we don't have firm indications that they've actually moved in this direction. again, we've made it very are clear to them that this is not the right move for them to make. it's certainly not good for the

people of ukraine. it is not good for china. we don't believe it's in their interest. we want them to make the right decision here. again, i wouldn't want to get ahead of where we are right now. certainly, we've, again, made it very obvious that we would have to make some decisions at that point. >> national security council coordinator for strategic communications at the white house, admiral john kirby. thank you, we appreciate it. joining us now is the commander of u.s. air forces in africa, general james hecker. your jurisdiction is about 19 million square miles. do i have the number right? >> that's close. >> quite a jurisdiction. let's talk about what's happening right now overnight. these attacks from the russian military, what's your assessment of what's happening there? what is the response of the united states? what is the response of nato? >> so this was another brutal attack by the russians on ukraine. as you can see, a lot of the

targets are civilian infrastructure targets which is routine and what he has done for a while. the nature of this attack is a large one. it's one we haven't seen in approximately two to three weeks. this is definitely something we're looking hard at. >> the ukrainian air force just in the last hour sent out a message on social media saying, simply, "we need f-16s" in response to this. they'll help us secure our skies, as they put it. are you all taking a more serious look at offering f-16s, at offering fighter planes to the ukrainian military? >> we've always taken a serious look, if we're going to give f-16 fighter planes to the ukraine. as you know, the administration, at least for the time being, has decided against that. but what we're doing is taking care of more the immediate need, more of what we just saw, what is one-way uavs that come across as well as cruise missiles that come across. surface-to-air missiles can down a lot of the missiles. unfortunately, we have leakers that get through.

>> do you find, general, that the will of the united states, but really the will of nato countries in western europe, is as strong as it was, say, a year ago to support ukraine? there's some dissenting voices in the congress who want to step away from ukraine, but by and large, democrats and republicans say we have to stand by ukraine in the war. do you see that internationally, as well? >> of the 30 nations they've come across one another, you know, real strong since the beginning of this. a year into it, and secretary austin, about a month ago, just called in a bunch of nations to talk about this. 45 nations showed up. of those 45 nations, they all continue and want to contribute to the ukraine's fight against the russians. >> general, can you give an update on the state of the skies over ukraine, the battle there? the aircraft that ukraine has using helicopters, as well, but also what sort of weaponry russia is using. these missiles, yes, but also what kind of fighter jets do

they have, and what kind of drones are you seeing? >> a lot of the aircraft are similar. they used to be together a long time ago. mig-29s and mig 27s. russian, they have 34th, 37th and 57 aircraft. as far as their aircraft, largely, because of the integrated air and missile defense that both sides have, both are pretty much staying on their side of the line. if they cross into the other people's territories, they're getting shot down by surface-to-air missiles. that's why we're seeing a lot of the one-way uav drones used by the russians, which we saw in the attack last night, as well as cruise missiles that are launched from their bomber jets. >> you know, general, it's quite a command you have, by the way. thank you very much. i mean -- >> i'm fortunate. >> that's half the world. dangerous parts of the world, as

well. in ukraine, the missile attacks and our assistance in helping to provide missile defense, incoming missile defense for ukraine, do you have any issues with inventory? this used to be called, this country, the arsenal of democracy. now, there are reports of, you know, lack of the numbers of ammunition being able to be provided. >> sure. >> have you had any difficulties? >> yeah. we have. really, from the last meeting that secretary austin had, that was the number one priority. the number one priority to those 45 nations was, we have to give the ukraines more capability, to shoot down the airplanes and the uavs and the cruise missiles. those 45 nations came through, and they gave a vast amount of those munitions to ukraine. they're shooting a lot of them. i guarantee you, they just shot a lot of them last night.

we have to keep them coming. >> general, this international effort you are leading in support of ukraine comes at an interesting time for the united states air force. we just left afghanistan. what does the future, in your eyes, of the u.s. air force look like? what is the role of that branch of our military? >> well, it's still going to be deterrence. you know, as you know, our pacing threat and national defense strategy leans over and looks at china. we're going to have a big presence still in china. we can't, obviously, forget what is going on in europe. what we're going to have to do there and what we're doing is we're working heavily with our allies and partners. good thing is nato is close together. those 30 nations are really close now. hopefully we'll get up to 32 and those other two bring a lot to the fight that will help out. we're working hard with our allies and partners to continue the pressure on russia. >> arguably as close as it's ever been and, as you say, growing right now. commander of air force in europe

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assistant coach adrian autry, a great player in the '90s will take over. beoheim is one of basketball's winningest coaches. he was following coach k at duke, of course. the statement didn't indicate whether he was fired or whether he is retiring. no comment. back page of the ""new york post."" 47 seasons. that was 1976, gerald ford was president. elvis was still alive when he took the job. what he and a bunch of other coaches built, in not just the big east but in college basketball, raising the profile of the game along with john thompson at georgetown, luke, all the big east coaches, what they helped big in conjunction with the rise of espn, he was one of the founding fathers, jim boeheim in this era of college

basketball. >> it is striking, the length of his career, 47 years. i was a young man, 50 years of age then. but you think about the bbeohei era. the epic, epic contests that were the old nit tournaments. the big east, the powerhouses, georgetown diminished slowly over the years. through it all, jim beoheim, 47 years behind the bench for that team. multiple winner, incredible. >> five final fours, john. got the national championship with carmelo 20 years ago this year, 2003. those big east tournaments back in the '80s. i was a kid in new jersey, we'd go over and watch. patrick ewing against chris mullen, washington. >> certainly, college basketball doesn't have that spot on the landscape anymore, but beoheim was syracuse basketball. he made the school a powerhouse.

three national title game appearances, one win, 2003. how about this for a stat? 47 years, his first losing season, last year, 2022. >> wow. >> insane. >> incredible. >> his first losing season. we should note, also, this is perhaps not the most, you know, harmonious departure. statements from the coach, he said, ask the university. the university simply put that he was out in their statement. questions whether he resigned or was fired. >> he became a little difficult with the media the last couple years. you can't take away his record. >> they were in the sweet 16 two years ago. tough couple years. jim beoheim done after 47 years. ahead, we'll be joined by residents of east palestine, ohio, the site of the toxic train derailment. they're in town to attend the senate hearing with the ceo of norfolk southern, the rail company responsible for the accident. "morning joe" is coming right back.

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♪♪ good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is thursday, march 9th. we have a lot to cover this morning. president joe biden calling out fox news for a misleading

narrative about january 6th from one of its primetime hosts. plus, a republican congressman accused of giving tours days before the attack on the capitol, will now lead an investigation into the january 6th committee. also ahead, ron desantis trying to debunk what he calls myths about his education policy, bus his presentation of the facts seem to fall flat. we'll show you what happened. we'll have legal analysis on the doj's report on the louisville police department. a lot to get to, along with joe, willie and me, we have columnist and associate editor for "the washington post," david ignatius f susan page, and the host the "way too early" jonathan la mere. >> i just love to hear you talk a bit about what happened last night. yesterday, of course, iconic

interviews with really men who made a huge difference over the past 50 year. that turned into an evening of history-making speeches, made the audience members cry. it was extraordinary. you know, it was a really beautiful event on so many levels, so many different cultures, generations coming together. that was the point of the summit to have cross-cultural, cross-generational mentoring, but we also saw legends of our time getting around a woman who didn't -- wasn't a choice, but she is in the position of being a woman who is changing the world. that is elena zalenkdyy, so many

celebrating her, but also celebrating these legends. there were many messages that came out last night, but the most important one was, especially on international women's day, women can change the world, and together i think we made a bit of history. >> you really did. really, it was just a remarkable evening, a remarkable day. i must say -- i why curious what david thinking of this as well. first, willie, to you on this. as we sat down yesterday. mika interviewed elena zelenskyy, and sitting there with hillary clinton, with her, with others, i was struck, and so was mika, by how young she was.

i always remembered a photographer taking pictures of john kennedy and bobby kennedy together, and commenting on -- they were stunned. the forecast said, my god, young men, young men's hair. as we saw and talked to her yesterday, i thought, my god, what has been thrust on this woman and her husband and the people of ukraine, but i must tell you, just so remarkable display. she proved herself to be an extraordinary goodwill ambassador, not only to this event, but also meeting with the leader of this country and others around. it is remarkable what the zelenskyys are doing. >> it is remarkable, and it's remarkable she was even there, that she wanted to be a part of that, given her country is in the middle of the war, to take the effort that comes with her traveling, to be a part of this.

it was extraordinary to see her on the panel yesterday. i hear there is an even more extraordinary interview coming with you and ms. zelenskyy, and with hillary clinton talking about this war, talking everything that her country has gone through in the last year or so, much more than that, actually, so we look forward to hearing that. just to have her there as a presence, along with all those other iconic women really gives this an urgency, this event that you're hosting, mika. >> no doubt, mika, she was here to deliver a message not only to the people in this audience, but to the people of the world, to this region, and she did it. >> i think hillary clinton and the many, many incredible women here wanted to make sure they put a frame around her, but also to so many other women who have

made such a difference in the fight for equal pay, equal rights, and all the different fights around the world. everything was aired out in this summit here in abu dhabi, which appeared once going to be the crossroads of the world, where these conversations were happening, and really happening. also, everyone just seemed so happy. i think the lineup and the way these women came to the table to really talk about things, it was an incredibly joyful event, even given the many challenges that women face around the world. we'll have much more ahead. we'll now get to the news and more on 30/50 a little later. yesterday we showed you a number of republican senators, including mitch mcconnell, criticizing fox news over how one of its primetime hosts has portrayed the january 6th attack on the capitol, using select

footage from the day provided by house speaker kevin mccarthy. yesterday, president biden joined those republicans in speaking out against fox news for allowing the whitewashing of the insurrection. the president tweeted -- more than 140 officers were injured on january 6th. i have said before -- how dare anyone diminish or deny the hell they went through? i stand with the capitol police. i hope house republicans feel ashamed for what was done to undermine our law enforcement. a white house spokesman also released a statement that we agree with the chief of the capitol police and the wide range of bipartisan lawmakers who have condemned this false depiction of the unprecedented violent attack on our constitution and the rule of law, which cost police officers their lives. willie? >> an important part of this

story comes in the back drop of a defamation suit by dominion voting systems. hundreds of pages of evidence, including full excerpts of testimony from depositions, along with text messages and e-mails have been published providing an inside look of how network executives and hosts not only knew claims that the claims of a rigged election were false, but they had open done tempt for former president trump, now former president and done junior has started attacking the network. joe, it remains perplexing that some parts of fox news, but mostly that republicans in the congress and that former president trump want to reopen this wound of january 6th and

revisit it and give president biden and give the rest of the country that believes its own eyes the opportunity to relitigate that terrible day. >> and it's just so stupid politically. we've had said it here day in and day out -- i guarantee you that republicans in the senate that are being critical, even lindsey graham accusing them of and other people of whitewashing the news? it is so stupid for republicans. they're splitting their party in half. they're turning voters that voted republican their entire lives against them. now you're seeing actually the 45th president and the 46th president attacking the same news network and, you know, my gosh, this is an ideological, a political civil war, jonathan, where you know have donald trump

attacking fox news and fox news hosts keeping extraordinary contempt, extraordinary contempt against the ex-president. >> yeah, it's been extraordinary to see. we're getting looks at the text messages sent in real time, during the final days of the trump administration, during his effort to have the election overturned in november and december, and then, of course, around january 6th. it shows in full display the hypocrisies and lies that fox news hosts would say one thing on air, and then off air, suggests, of course, they knew he was lying. we should keep that in mind as we consider what one fox news host in particular in the evening is doing to try to downplay what happened on january 6th. i think it will be useful to go through some of these text messages "new york times" has reported, from mr. carlson in the evening.

he has said these things about donald trump, per the lawsuit -- he said trump is good at destroying thing. his anien disputed world champion of that. he has said that on biden's decision -- trump's decision to skip biden's inauguration, it's disgusting. i'm trying to look away. he has bad-mouthed sydney powell. he said he mates trump passionately, and then he said this, willie. he called -- tucker carlson called donald trump a demonic force, a destroyer, but he's not going to destroy us. i've been thinking about this for four years. we have two weeks left. we can do this. i think it's so instructive to pull back the kurting to see what he thought in real time when he said something so very different on air, and continues to push those lies to this very day.

>> we've been talking for years about those four years he was saying he worried about every day, we've been talking about members of the house, members of the senate, republican leaders throughout the states, heaping contempt on donald trump behind the scenes, saying how much they hated him, republicans saying how much they loathed him, republicans saying how ill suited he was for the presidency, and the camera lights would turn on and they would lie to the voters, would lie to their constituents. david ignatius, what is so extraordinary, it's all out in the open, right? we have known this forever, because you have talked to republican leaders, as have i, who would heap contempt on donald trump behind the scenes, but not publicly. they told the base what they thought they wanted to hear. now we have this extraordinary

moment in american democracy, where you have the majority of one party actually being fed lies and actually believes those lies, spreading those lies not only about an american election, an american presidential election, that even the biggest disinformation broadcasters are saying was won by joe biden, but they're not only lying about that, but now they're lying in the middle of a lawsuit, for god's sake, in the middle of a lawsuit about what happened on january 6th and the brave law enforcement officers, the cops who were beaten up, beaten within inches of their lives, and lie being cops who lost their lives. david, it's just extraordinary. how does a political party continue to exist based around these toxic lies now being

shouted from the mountaintops. >> political parties are unfortunately pretty good at living with hypocrisy, and as you say, we have seen that two-faced approach from republicans through the trump years. like you, i've had heard so many republicans in private criticize what he's doing, express concern about his effects on the country and go out in public and support him because they're afraid. they're afraid of their base. what is striking about the dominion lawsuit is we're seeing that hypocrisy baked into what's supposedly a news ned work. you realize how far fox has strayed from being a reliable source of news. people say things in private that are accurate, honest assessments of trump, and then go on the air and make claims that are divisive for the country. you have a sense that, like the

republican politicians you and i were talking about, fox is chase what it imagines its viewers, the public on the right, want to hear. that's just never a good position. i wonder how fox is going to recover from this, if rupert murdoch and others want the network to become more stable after the trump period. >> joe mentioned senator lindsey graham. here's what he said yesterday, quote -- i don't want to be part of any -- i don't want to take any part in whitewashing january 6th. it wasn't a stroll to the capitol. it was an attack on our capitol. the people involved in the violence should go to jail, lindsey graham said yesterday, again, it was not a peaceful day. mark, you have written about fox news in your most recent book as well.

we know, having covered these politicians so long, what they say in private and then what they say in public are usually 180 degrees, but what do you make of these releases particularly in the dominion lawsuit, this discovery that we all have access to now. >> i think as david just alluded to, we have seen this hypocritical two-step since donald trump came on. hypocrisy is nothing new in american politics for either party, but the level has really been ramped up, but around the election, around january 6th litigating everything, we saw a lot of the same trepidation, a lot of the same hypocrisy that we're seeing around they suits and e-mails and discovery that's

come from that. again, it's so striking to see ostensibly a news oarization go through this. again, i don't think it will affect their bottom line too much unless dominion wins, and they very well could win this suit. it's a $1.6 billion lawsuit, which could hurt and have a lot of ripples, but ultimately the ratings i assume have been high over the last few years and probably will continue to be, because for the most part, the viewers are not getting this news. we are talking here, it's clear as day to anyone following this story, but the vast majority of people watching fox all day are not following the story, because they're not getting it from fox. so ultimately it's just the information ghetto gets narrower and narrower. again, i'm sort of sick of asking how these people live with themselves, but ultimately it's the central dynamic of the

republican party, the of the trump kingdom, of fox. >> and susan page, mark is exactly right. it's the same dynamic, they're afraid of their own base, and you see again in black and white in these e-mails and text messages, hosts of fox news afraid of their own viewers. we don't believe any of this stuff, but our numbers are dipping around january 6th, around the inauguration of president biden. we've got to get back on board with what our viewers want, let's feed them things we know are not true. >> what's extraordinary is the only people in america who watch news and aren't aware of these remarkable disclosure from the dominion lawsuit are fox viewers, because it's a story that fox is not coring. howie kurtz, fox's longtime media critic, has been told he is not allowed to cover that

story. apparently there was a bash by the revelations that we have seen from the lawsuit. it's hard to whitewash an event we all solid in real time on television, which is what happened on january 6th. >> a group of house republicans is going after the committee that investigated the deadly january 6th attack on the capitol. the gop-led house administration's subcommittee on oversight is launching an investigation into the democrat-led january 6th committee that expired when democrats lost control of the how in january. the republican probe will look into whether key information about the insurrection was left out from the high-profile probe, along with analyzing how it conducted its investigation. to that end,ed subcommittee has launched an online portal to collect tips from the public.

republican congressman barry laddermach of georgia will leading investigation. video footage so him guiding a tour of house office buildings during a time when the complex was closed off to visitors because of the pandemic restrictions. the january 6th commitsee alleged that a man seen taking photos on laddermilk's tour posted the photos online. and the same man is ahead threatening senator schumer, then house speaker nancy pelosi, congressman jerry nadler and congresswoman alexandria ocasio cortez. he initially denied giving any tour.

when more evidence dame out, he then denied any wrongdoing. he's since denied that the group he was leading was using the tour for inspect the facility. >> and jonathan, here you have again, another republican that just flat-out lied, got caught lying about what he did. it reminds me so much of the georgia republican who was they with the guards trying to keep the mob out. i forget the guy's name, but they had guns drawn, and he's pushing trying to keep the mob out from killing members of congress on the floor. then he gets scared a couple weeks later and talking about how they were just tourists, just another day of tourists at the capitol. you take this all the way to the top and you have kevin mccarthy who released the security footage that everything is talking about, who was screaming at donald trump at the top of

his lungs on january 6th, saying you're responsible for it. it was kevin mccarthy who attacked donald trump on the floor saying he was respond for those riots, who now of course is backing down, again for the same reason that all these things are happening. coward dis nonetheless case comes at a horrific price. >> mccarthy went to mar-a-lago a couple weeks later, and awrote in my book, he apologized to trump for the harsh phone call on january 6th, and trump's rehabilitation began in that very moment. we're seeing that now, still seeing it on the air waves on fox news, trying to rehabilitate trump, even as there are voices that say the party should turn the page, many are still fear of, and then in congress f.

loudermilk is taking a note on investigate the investigators. so that of what the house gop is trying to do right now, which mind you is out of step with what the american people say they want them to do. they're all about deep-fake conspiracy theories, and speak to a narrower part of their own electorate. >> joe, one more note on this, as we talk about the politics of it, and it is wisdom or lack thereof of reopening this wound. there's a group of republicans led by marjorie taylor greene, planning a visit to some of these women who are being held, treating them like political prisoners. she went in 2021 and said it was

like seeing prisoners of war, men with tears streaming down their faces, just feeding any democrat, just feeding the president of the united states, feeding anyone who wants it more materially on this terrible, terrible day in american history and treating it like she, and the people in prison, are the real victims. >> crazy. i'm tired of asking who are they people? >> they're idiots doing what's not in the best interest of their party, nots in the best interest of democracy, not in the best interest of this country, but it is extraordinary again every day. we see one example after another camp after another example of these people out of control and doing things that are hurting their own party, doing things hurting the conservative cause. like i said before, doing things that hurt this country. to investigate the investigators, they tried this with the durham investigation,

it blew up in their face time and time again. they're doing it again. they're investigating the investigators. >> such clowns. >> it is a clown show. again, you have to wonder what republicans, who actually want to win elections in 2024, are thinking? >> even before that, they're wasting the time and the money and the honor of their jobs and they're wasting the american people's time with this garbage, with fake investigation, that guess particular politics, just pushing of the envelope on conspiracies, when there's real work that needs to be done. >> think of cops getting beating up with american flag. cops who lost their live after january 6th, and the families and police force believe for injuries sustained on january the 6th. you actually have republicans embracing the rioters.

you have republicans embracing the insurrectionists. stuff republicans saying this sort of behavior in america that you're watching on your screen right now, with american flags, the generations of men and women who have fought and died to protect and defend ideals of that flag and the constitution of the united states, those flags being used to beat up cops. >> you have a network of whitewashing that? >> beating up cops trying to overturn a peaceful election. i shouldn't have to explain this to people that have an iq of more than like 40 or 50. i shouldn't have to explain this to them, right? this is simple stuff. you can't be on the side of rioters, you can't be on the side of mobs that want to overturn a peaceful election. you can't be on the side of

insurrectionists, yet, mika, they are. >> before we go to break, we want to share some news we've been following overnight about mitch mcconnell. he's hospitalized after falling at a washington, d.c. hotel last night. according to a spokesperson, mcconnell, who is 81 years old, tripped during a private dinner. he was admit to a hospital where he is receiving treatment. no immediate details are being released. we will bring you updates as we learn them. and of course, we wish him the very best for a speedy recovery. still ahead on "morning joe", the latest from ukraine following a new series of russia attacks. plus, the justice department issues a scathing rebuke of the louisville police department, after an investigation into the death of breonna taylor in 2020. also ahead, democrat ecsenator elizabeth warren is

our guest this morning. we will ask her about the budget fight playing out on capitol hill. as we go to break, here is democratic congressman jamie raskin, who served on the select committee, speaking on the house floor yesterday against the disinformation being spread about what actually happened the day of the capitol attack. >> it all starts, of course, with january 6th. before that, the presidential election. all starts with a big like. they say, well who knows, maybe he won, maybe he didn't. you say joe biden's president. we say donald trump's president. nonsense. 60 federal and state courts rejected every claim of electoral fraud and corruption that they put forward. 60 federal and state courts rejected every claim there's not a single cord that ever ruled in

their favor. donald trump lost that election by more than 7 million votes, and lost in the electoral college. the big lie is to stretch all the way over january 6th. we have to disbelieve the evident of our own eyes, of our own ears. we saw them come and descend upon this chamber, this congress, wounding and injuring 150 of our police officers, breaking people's noses, breaking people's fingers, putting people in the hospital. already they're back on the news with big lies, saying, no, no, no, no, it was a tourist visit, like these real tourists up here who come and watch representatives in the understanding congress say there's no difference between truth and lies. real tourists who are not

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or last year. i was struck by that. this is someone who is so entrenched in the american -- and sports as a bodybuilders, as a box office legend, got into politics and elected as governor of the biggest state in the country on his first try. he can talk to pretty much every corner of the world. he tried to make an appeal to the russian people after the invasion last year. he has now made a video this we'll trying to appeal to neonazis. arnold's father was a nazi. he fought in hitler's army. arnold came up in the shadow of that. i went with arnold all over the world. we went to auschwitz last summer, biking in santa monica. we went to gold's gym. we did the whole hollywood thing. he an extraordinary singular

specimen of american life. all of his friends are dying, he's getting old. it was a striking moment of getting to spend a few months in the shadow of someone who is just like larger than life in the true sense of america. one of the most extraordinary profiles i've ever worked on and one of the most extraordinary american lives i've ever sort of -- >> you were quick to point out you bench pressed more than arnold schwarzenegger. important detail there. the thread of the piece is he's already looking for the next thing. he's a body builder, now what's next? huge hollywood star, what's next? politics. becomes the governor of california. now he's sort of hit a wall of it's not clear what's next. what does he do from here? >> right. what's interesting, in the last few years in a weird ironic way

the trump years, have given him a purpose. he's put of these little viral videos during the pandemic, after january 6th, after charlottesville, after the russian invasion, and even this week his antihate videos that have gone remarkably viral. he's, like trump in some ways, leveraged celebrity, but not for the toxic divisive way that is trump has. arnold has been on the right side of a lot of common-sense issues, and very core sort of american annual global decency issues. like so many things any quirky social media world, who saw it coming? but arnold has an unmatched authority. all of a sudden he starts showing up at auschwitz, and all of a sudden washes his hands, showing people how to get

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a series of missiles and drone attacks in ukraine overnight. one person was killed in a missile strike near the citi of dnipro. in the capital of kyiv, two large explosions were reported about an hour apart that injured at least two people. kyiv amayor says the explosions

triggered a power outage to about 15% of the city. in odesa, missiles struck residential buildings. in kharkiv, a city officials says 15 missiles struck there as well. in total, 81 missiles and eight drones were fight overnight into early this morning with 34 of those missiles being shot down. david ignatius, this is the most aggressive attack we have seen in some time. what do you make of the timing from russia here? >> willie, this is a spasm of violence. reports of russia's hypersonic missiles, which are the most advanced in their arsenal in this wave of attacks. you can only think that the russians are trying ever more

desperately to intimidate the people of ukraine, just as they're trying on the front lines in bakhmut, throwing wave after wave of prisoners just put in there to die to try to clear lanes in this trench war fare, so in the skies, the russians keep throwing missiles that really are anti-civilian weapons, whether they're trying to take out power stations or other targets. i think it's a sign that putin is determined to try to subdue the ukrainians, to persist in what has been so far completely unsuccessful campaign against the government. he's continuing, there's no sign he's prepared to negotiate yet. ed idea he would use the hypersonic missiles against a smaller country, pounded after so many months of bombardment is to me astonishing.

>> david, it's jonathan. when you speak to your sources in the pentagon and elsewhere in the government, what is their concern about what they're seeing in bakhmut? not that russia might take the town, but it's strategically an unimportant city, and there's been some chatter it could sap their ability to mount a major counter offensive in the spring. >> jonathan, as always, the response of u.s. official is to say these are decisions for ukraine. i did know that jake sullivan, and general milley just talked in the last 24 hours with the commander of the ukrainian forces and the presidential chief of staff, i'm sure they're talking in part about the situation in bakhmut. former general austin, or secretary of defense, has suggested a tactical

redeployment, in effect a retreat in bakhmut may make sense. this is so important symbolically that president zelenskyy has decided he wants to stay and fight longer. whether that's sensible in military terms, giving what you say is a try wall strategic many that bakhmut is, but the symbolic important is enormous. at this hour, we'll explain why the city of memphis is delaying release of videos in the tyre nichols case, and a breakdown of the louisville department investigation s "morning joe" will be right back. investigation s "morning joe" will be right back ♪ get directv with a two year price guarantee.

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taylor. authorities outlined systemic problems within the department, includes years of discrimination. miguel almaguer has details. >> reporter: the scathing report from the department of justice unveiled a damning assessment of the louisville metro police department saying it's long engaged in a troubling pattern of discriminatory law enforcement practices. investigators from the doj cited serious unlawful abuses, especially against black people. >> some officers have demonstrated disrespect for the people they are sworn to protect. videotaped themselves throwing drinks at pedestrians from their cars, insulted people with disabilities and called black people monkeys, animal and boy.

this conduct is unacceptable. >> the troubling 86-page report cites uses of excessive force, unjustified neck restraints and the unreasonable use of police dogs and tasers. officers also conducted searches based on unvalid warrants, unlawfully stopped and searched citizens. the u.s. attorney general specifically cited a specialized unit originally called viper. >> the unit's activities were part of an overall enforcement approach that resulted in significant and unlawful racial disparities. >> reporter: the review was launched after the 2020 shooting death of breonna taylor. the botched raid helped expose what federal authorities now call a pattern or practice of conduct that deprives people of their rights.

>> this should have never happened and it took three years for anybody else to say that. >> reporter: the failure to protect and serve at the cost of community trust. >> miguel almaguer reporting. let's bring in legal analyst charles coleman. here's the review. here's the assessment of what's wrong. now what? >> that's a great question. there's now going to be an independent monitor. to be honest with you, that goes far, but not far enough. we have seen this movie before and i'm skeptical on how it will end. consent decrees can only go as far as what is written on paper

as far as changing culture. no individual officers have been charged with respect to the wrongdoing that came from the report. the significance there is that qualified immunity still serves as a shield of accountability. that is a big problem and barrier to culture change in law enforcement in america. >> a lot of members of congress saying we're not going to get rid of qualified immunity. how significant is it that the justice department took this onto maybe put down a marker not just in louisville but other police departments of what it will and will not tolerate? >> it is hugely significant. i do have to acknowledge kristen clark and her work at the doj civil rights division. it makes a very strong statement. the other thing is that the pattern or practice designation legally says a lot about what

this means systemically that was going on. this was not isolated. this was a part of the culture of louisville metro police department. that's clear by the designation. the question that i have, though, is when are we going to start believing black people? yes, the federal government came in and did an investigation, as they should have. they uncovered what many had been saying was going on in that city for a very long time. i think if there's anything that comes from it, it should be the recognition that we need to listen to the people who are in community and talking about what is ailing them and what is wrong with systemic racism in american policing. >> this is a political moment and it's this balance of people calling for police reform, but also when crime is up in so many cities, how is that factoring in? >> a lot of it has to do with

the sensationalized nature and how we discuss america's crime problem. violent crime in america constitutes less than 20% of the total crime addressed by police, not to mention when you're talking about crime in america, you're not talking about data driven solutions. our solution to crime in america is always more police, throw more money to police, give more money and resources to police. that does not solve crime, because that's not why crime occurs. crime does not occur because of an absence of police, but because of an absence of community with opportunity. you have to invest in community, create opportunities that give people alternatives that do not end up with a false sense of competition for resources that may not be available such that these people are able to thrive and survive. >> the justice department announced it also will open an investigation into the memphis police department. the doj's office of community

oriented policing services will review the city's law enforcement with a separate probe into the department's specialized units. that city's policing practices have come under scrutiny after the beating death of tyre nichols earlier this year. the five former officers who are members of the memphis police department's now disbanded scorpion unit have been charged with murder. the city of memphis is delaying release of new video of the arrest that night. the city was set to release 20 hours of new footage yesterday, but the judge sided with defense lawyers, who argued they needed time to review the video before it is made available to the public. >> it tells me they are continuing to make a clear message that they are not going to allow police practices in america to remain broken and they understand the severity of

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be part of a push to better connect with voters. senator elizabeth warren is standing by to join the conversation to talk about the president's budget and the debt ceiling and much more in just a moment. we also are keeping an eye on wall street before the bell. the market is down this morning following the fed chair's latest warning about rising interest rates. and a little bit later in the hour, the legendary carole king joins us here in the studio to talk about her activism, music. we begin with news overnight that senate minority leader mitch mcconnell has been hospitalized after falling at a washington hotel last night. mcconnell, who is 81 years old, tripped during a private dinner and was admitted to the hospital. no immediate details have been released about his condition. we will bring you updates as soon as we learn them and we wish him the very best this morning. russia unleashed a massive

rocket attack across a number of regions of ukraine, hitting residential buildings and critical infrastructure. megan fitzgerald has the latest from london. >> what we are seeing is that russia has launched this barrage of missiles and drones across ukraine. we have not seen such a widespread barrage for about a month now. these missiles hitting places like kharkiv and odesa and lviv and even kyiv. we know that according to ukrainian military officials, 81 missiles were launched. the ukrainian military is saying that they're seeing this trend, this pattern among the russians where they're setting off this barrage of more sophisticated missiles followed by less

sophisticated missiles and drones as a way to try to overwhelm ukraine's air defense facilities. they are also saying they were able to knock down some 34 of those missiles. right now the death toll stands at about nine, but we do understand that number will likely climb. another trend is that russia is targeting critical infrastructure, knocking out power systems, leaving people in the dark without heat. we know crews are working to try to restore power. we're also looking at zaporizhzhia knocked offline for the sixth time throughout this invasion but russia. what this means is that the plant is now operating on those. the concern is there's only about a 15-day supply of diesel. that opens up the possibility of

a potential nuclear disaster where you're looking at radioactive material seeping into the atmosphere. we've heard from the director general of the international atomic energy agency expressing his frustration this continues to happen, all of this happening as we see russia launching that early spring offensive where we are looking at one of the bloodiest and longest battles being raged in bakhmut in the donetsk region where russia is claiming they've occupied areas in the north, east and the south. they've not yet taken bakhmut. we've heard from the ukrainian government saying they will continue to fight, vowing to take back bakhmut. >> it has been an ugly 24 hours in ukraine. president biden is set to unveil his 2024 budget today in

a showdown with house republicans over the debt ceiling. house republicans reportedly still cooking up a proposal that will slash the country's foreign aid budget and take large portions from health care, food assistance and housing programs in an attempt to balance the budget. republicans will not have their budget ready for several weeks. sourcs close to those working on the proposal say that is because republicans cannot agree on a plan for spending cuts. joining us now democratic senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts. thank you so much for your time. >> good to be here. >> can you give us a preview of what the president will roll out today, what you like about it

and you'd like to see more of? >> stood a good day, because it really shows you the difference between the democrats and the republicans. we know what their budget is going to do based on the cuts they've already announced they want to do and how much they want to bring down the deficit. we've crunched the numbers. moody's did an independent analysis. their chief economist said if you go through with the republican plan, it throws the country into a recession and it will cost us about 2.5 million jobs. by contrast, look at what the president is unveiling today. he's saying that we need to invest in america. we need to invest in things like child care. we need to bring down the cost of health care. and we need to make certain that those at the very top pay a fair share. if we do those things, we can bring down the national debt by about $3 trillion.

the president clearly has a plan that's going to work. >> of course, the backdrop to the discussions on the budget is the looming fight over the debt ceiling. i know you chair the subcommittee on the debt limit. there's been new analysis just released as to what this could mean if the nation were to default on its debt, what it would mean for the economy. walk us through it, please. >> again, moody's has done an independent analysis of this and said that if we have a short-term debt default, that it will do two things. it will throw the country into a recession, and it will put about a million people out of work, really serious bad stuff. but think about the other half. the republicans are saying that their price for not throwing us into a debt default are all of

these cuts, but the cuts, according to moody's, will throw us into a recession and cost us about 2.6 million jobs. what the republicans are trying to do here are bad and worse. this is what everybody testified to in the hearing i had on tuesday. when i say everybody, i mean the democrats and the republicans who were invited to testify. the economists from all sides said we need to raise the debt ceiling without any strings on it and then we can go into the debates over budget. >> so we are surrounded by billionaires. the deficit is huge. now there's talk about enforcing the tax code and making billionaires pay their fair share. we keep hearing that. my question is, what percentage

of the tax code, if you employee it properly, what would be a sensible approach to taxing billionaires and making them really pay? >> it's a good question. you may remember that i put together a 2 cent wealth tax that said every year in the same way you pay property taxes on your house, that billionaires are going to have to pay a 2 cent tax on all of the stuff they've got. this is just for people at the very top end. what the economists said if you analyze all the numbers on that, that would yield about $3 trillion. that's if you wanted to put it all on bringing down the national debt. there's $3 trillion right off the top. >> every year? >> no's 3 trillion over ten, but

it would help bring down the national debt. this is the point. we have a lot of places we can go on this. when it's the case that jeff bezos is paying less in taxes than a boston public schoolteacher, then i guarantee we have room to go that we can collect money and use it to pay down the national debt. >> you had fed chairman powell before your banking committee a couple of days ago. you two got into it a little bit when you asked him about the cost of keeping interest rates where they are or lifting them even further to jobs in this country, he replied and said, well inflation is bad for everybody, not just the 2 million people who might lose their jobs because of it, we have to get inflation down for everybody in this country. how do you respond to that? >> let's remember that by law the fed has a dual mandate.

it is supposed to deal with inflation and also with employment and keeping people employed. so when chair powell uses this very soft language about, well, we're trying to slow the economy, we're trying to move things a little slower, what he's really talking about is he's trying to put people out of work. that is the tool of the fed. i didn't make this up. this is actually right there in the december fed report. here's the problem. what the fed is saying is we're going to keep raising interest rates with the anticipation that unemployment will go up by one full point by the end of the year. that's 2 million people. so the questions i asked him, it's the last time we watched unemployment go up by one full point in a year, how many times

in the 12 times that's happened in modern history did we avoid a recession? and the answer, zero times. here's the scary second part. and of those 12 times when unemployment went up by a full point in a year, how many times did it stop at that point and how many did it race on ahead like a runaway train? the answer is 11 out of 12 times it raced ahead like a runaway train. i asked the chair, what's your plan? he doesn't have a plan. >> what's your best idea to get prices down? i think we can agree inflation, while it's ticking down, remains stubborn and it's too high. >> we've got to look at all of the reasons prices are up. we know at least right off the top that at least some of those

reasons are price gouging by giant corporations. take a look in the industries where there's the greatest concentration, they've raised prices the most and profit margins the most. in addition, we have a war in ukraine that's affecting prices. we have trouble in the supply chain. so think about it. if you attack those three problems, you don't put anybody out of work and you can help bring down prices. the point is, you can't just treat this as raise interest rates and put people out of work and that is the only way to move this economy forward. we have other tools that are not jerome powell's tools and we need to be bearing down and using those tools as well. >> senator elizabeth warren, thank you so much. we appreciate it.

let's bring in andrew ross sorkin. another day yesterday of testimony from chairman powell. kind of added a caveat, is it fair to say the fed has not made a decision about whether it will hike rates next time around. what do the markets think? >> it's a little bit of cleanup work, because what he said on tuesday reflected this idea that maybe things were going to be worse, oddly the economy was going to be growing faster and he was going to try to put the brakes on it. yesterday it seemed like he was trying to clean up some of that language. the market came back in response to it a bit. i think next week there's still an expectation economists thinking there was a 68% chance we will get a 50 basis point raise next week. the real question is what happens after that at this point? >> we have a big jobs number to

fold into this tomorrow, the last month's jobs number, which some analysts worry might be too good, which could lead to another hike in interest rates. >> this is the thing we keep talking about. bad news is good news, good news is bad news. it is possible we could get a very good jobs report. you say that sounds great except for the idea whether that's going to create more wage inflation. that sounds great for people getting those wages, but if costs keep going up, those wages aren't really as high in truth. >> governor newsom says his state will no longer do business with walgreens over its stance on the abortion pill. set the table for us about what's at issue. >> here's what's at issue. walgreens came out and said effectively that in 20 states where the a.g's in those red

states have effectively said abortion is not necessarily outlawed in some of those states but the a.g.'s are going to go after walgreens for offering this abortion pill, that they would no longer offer that in those states. they've since sort of walked that back where they're saying we're going to do that only in states where it is technically considered illegal. the question is are they really going to do it or not. and people are comparing this on the other side to what desantis did to disney. my personal view, it's a very different situation if there's a state where something is outlawed. i know there's a debate about that in some of those states. but if that's outlawed, they probably shouldn't offer it in that regard. the question is whether they're doing it preemptively. >> our previous guest elizabeth

warren is one of a group of senators demanding walgreens state plainly which states they'll do business in. >> isn't it up to the customer? why is it up to the state? isn't it up to the customer whether you'll buy something from walgreens? there's part of this that is really troubling. >> actually, this contract is kind of a rounding error for walgreens but a symbolic move for governor newsom, at least in the state of california. coming up next on "morning joe," the ceo of norfolk southern is moments away from testifying before a senate panel on the east palestine train derailment. we will talk to two women who live in that town about the cleanup and what they want to hear from the ceo today. they w hear from thcee o today. lomita feed is 101 years old. when covid hit, we had some challenges. i heard about the payroll tax refund that allowed us

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operator norfolk southern will testify before a senate panel about the train derailment in east palestine, ohio. according to his written testimony obtained by nbc news, alan shaw will tell lawmakers he is, quote, deeply sorry for the impact this derailment has had on the people of east palestine and surrounding communities. shaw expected to promise to clean the site safely and reimburse residents. the company says it already has distributed more than $20 million. shaw will also stress that norfolk southern is committed to making the rail industry safer. joining us now, two residents of east palestine, misty allison and jessica canard. we've been saying when public officials were saying it's safe for families to go back, the water is clean, the air is

clean. you both have children. you both live in east palestine. misty, how are you feeling about being back home? >> we are back home. we've been back home since february 9th. the anxiety is real. we want to make sure we are doing the best thing for our children and our families, but only if it's safe. there's still so much data that needs to come out to really guarantee we are going to be safe in the long-term. >> jessica, what's it been like for you to be back? what's the level of concern about being so close to this site? >> it does feel kind of like a day to day we're not really sure what to expect. ultimately we're just trying to create a sense of normalcy for the kids. they're kind of on a need to know basis, but it's terrifying. we're on a private well. we have been tested by norfolk

southern, still have not received the results. we are not drinking the water but we have to wash our dishes and clothes and bathe in it. it is a little terrifying just watching out for those health concerns and are we able to play in the back yard, are we going to be able to swim in the pool this summer. hopefully there's not going to be any more flaming trains going through my yard. that would be great. lots of things to come here in the future. there's a lot of uncertainties for sure. >> on that point that was just raised, you have two children. you live about a mile from the scene where it occurred. what's it like living in an area where you get trains coming by with 212 cars, miles long trains coming by on a daily basis? what's life like there?

>> i grew up with the train track in my back yard. i never even thought about what was on these trains. you hear the train whistles go by. sometimes going through town, you might have to stop for a train. before this, i never even thought about what was being transported and some of these hazardous chemicals could be on there. now that this has happened, it has made my question everything and really the safety of some of these chemicals and the transportation of the stuff through our community. it is terrifying to think about. >> that photograph we have up there, that was taken by misti from her back yard of the train derailment in east palestine. >> obviously a terrifying sight there. jessica, this is obviously not a story that's going to end any

time soon. there is concerns that there could be ill health effects that could persist for weeks or months or years. how worried are you about that? do you think the government is doing enough to help? >> thank you for that question. i am worried about the future. i am worried about health concerns. we have children. they're growing. they need healthy air, clean water. i feel like in america we have a right to those things. i don't currently feel safe. i think it's a matter of not necessarily if it gets into our groundwater but when. when that happens, i do think it's going to be an unfortunate circumstance. do i think the government is doing enough? i guess time will tell. i've been trying to work closely with the epa. i took ten questions down there and they could really only answer two. i did get a follow-up from the

regional commander there on site. he was able to answer a lot more of my questions, but i think it's a matter of getting the education out to the people and making sure this never happens again, raising awareness of what is in the soil, chemicals, oil, refined lubricant oil, not just crude oil. we've gotten good at cleaning up crude oil, but the proprietary blends are in question now. this is definitely not going away any time soon. east palestine, i think, is just one example of many things that have happened across the country. this has been going on for far too long. now is the time to start making real change. >> a couple of data points from this incident, three quarters of

people in east palestine surveyed reported headaches since the derailment, just over half say their skin has been irritated since the train derailment. alan shaw will be taking questions from the senate today. what do you want to hear from him today? >> i believe you obtained some type of example of what he is going to testify on and that he is going to apologize. while it's nice to get an apology and that he's sorry for what happened, we need to make sure there's some action with that. sorry just isn't good enough. i really hope there's some transparency and there are a lot of tough questions those people need to answer to make sure norfolk southern is accountable, not only for the residents of east palestine, but for the industry in general and the transportation of all of the stuff that can be so harmful for people. there's been multiple examples

of that. i hope this is beginning and not the end of all the remediation that still needs to happen. >> we'll be watching closely and going through some of the answers today from norfolk southern. thank you both. still ahead, a prosecutor in virginia makes a decision on charges in the shooting of an elementary schoolteacher. an elementary schoolteacher

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wounded 25-year-old zwerner in the chest and hand. the shooting sparked calls for change within the community. >> we as a society are failing our teachers and our students by not offering them a safe place to work and to learn. >> reporter: despite the shock and outrage newport news commonwealth attorney howard gwin saying he will not put the 6-year-old on trial. he says a child so young would not be able to understand the charge, the legal system or adequately assist an attorney. instead, he is focusing on others. once we analyze all the facts, we will charge any person or persons that we believe we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt committed a crime. at the end of january, zwerner filed notice of intent to sue the school board. >> this should have never happened. it was preventible.

>> reporter: zwerner's attorney said three times the school administration was warned by teachers and an employee that the boy had a gun on him. the school board told nbc news they do not have a statement at this time. police say that gun was legally purchased by the boy's mother. after the purchase, the family said in a statement the weapon was secured in a home. words have done little to reassure students who have asked school administrators to do more. >> keep me safe and alive so i can do much more stuff to make the world a better place. >> amazing we have little kids testifying, begging to be kept safe in their own classrooms. coming up next, our lucky day because singer/songwriter, the icon carole king joins us here in studio. we'll talk about her environmental activism, music and more. environmental activism, music and more

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him so special was hal david, his li cyst. it's hard to lose anybody. i'm 81. when you lose people, you lose a lot of people the older you get. why did i look at mike? because mike's more of a contemporary. >> yeah. >> i was reminded what made me write the article in the post was being reminded of the time when my lyricist were driving in the car and we heard this magical song. it was dionne warwick. it was like oh my god, it was just what is that and we wanted to do that. we were so inspired by their

music, burt and hal. >> the lasting memory of music exists and prospers even in this culture of instant attention spans. the other day i'm driving along and i have the car radio on and carole king and baby james come on with a song. it's lasted all of these years. it's been nurtured, of course, by performances with him. how does that feel to you professionally and personally to have such a hand print on muse history and culture in this country? >> weird isn't the right word, but i'm just doing what i do. i'm good at what i do, but there are many people who are good at the thing that i do. for me to have achieved this

level of reach, it's fame. fame is also weird, but i don't live in fame. i live in confidence. you know, mika's women be confident, i'm confident in my work. but this whole thing of what happened was more the universe. i didn't seek that. it just happened. it's pretty cool. >> on that point, don henley once said that he often thinks about the fact that it happened to the eagles and all of them and he always wondered why didn't it happen to that fellow he knew that started out with him, why us? >> that's a great thought. that's the one i have but i don't live there constantly and say why me. it happened to me. i'm going to do the best i can with it. shifting topics, which is why i became an activist for climate

and the environment, because i have a platform and it's something i care so deeply about. not enough people know it. >> you're going to segue. you're the cohost. take it away. >> any time. >> you're hired. >> thank you. so i live near the forest. the forest has been my neighbor in idaho for more than 38 years. so i feel like i know the forest. what i've seen happening is that the forest service is a facilitator. it's been over different presidents. it's institutional over different presidents and parties. the forest service facilitates logging in our national forests. like intact forest ecosystems are a natural climate solution and the reverse happens when

they clear cut, as is on this screen. when they clear cut a forest, they're releasing as much carbon into the air annually from logging as burning coal in the u.s. so when climate activists talk about fossil fuels, do not ignore that logging is contributing mightily to carbon emissions. >> you've been a this for decades. carole testified at a congressional hearing about this very issue. >> coal, oil and gas get a lot of attention, but logging is also a huge emitter of carbon. taxpayers have been subsidizing clear cutting in our national forests under multiple presidents from both parties for decades. it's institutional. in the united states, annual emissions from logging are

comparable to the amount emitted from coal. >> i think that was the fourth time over the years that you've testified before congress. you always come prepared. you gave us our own handbook here of materials. have you seen movement over the years or recently from congress to sort of push things along in the direction you're urging them to go? >> i have seen movement in the wrong direction, because the forest service is very good at coming up with euphemisms for logging. if they say restoration, that's what happens, what we saw on the screen, the clear cutting. when they say wildfire risk reduction, forest management and their newest word is treatment, strategic treatment. all these words are like why do you need to interfere with the forest? if you leave the forest alone, yes, it may have fires and if you want to protect communities, you do it from the community. you do something called hardening homes.

that's like you get a metal roof or a compound that's fire resistant on your roof. you ember proof your vents and you clear defensible space about 60 to 100 feet, but that will protect communities and homes. instead they say, no, no, we need to thin the forest. they often do, quote, thinning, which is log, which is often clear cutting. they do that in the forest not really near the community they're trying to protect. in other words, the timber industry and the forest service are sort of partners in this endeavor. let's keep the public thinking we're doing something that's going to help >> so we know president biden last year passed inflation reduction act, significant climate change legislation which was billed as a good first step for a lot of thing. what concretely could this white house do now that divided

congress to help with this issue? >> the divided congress won't do anything to help on this issue right now. but president biden can issue an executive order ending commercial logging in our national forests. and i would ask people to go to whitehouse.gov/contact and tell the president end commercial logging in our national forests. >> a dogged activist on this issue, and will continue to be as you have been for many, many decades living in idaho and seeing this up clos carole king, it's always so great to see you. we've got our homework, we'll get back to you, ready for the test. good to see you, we'll be right back with more "morning joe." whoa. okay. easy does it. we switched to liberty mutual and saved $652.

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for 47 years, took the job in 976, led the team to five final fours and a national championship over his illustrious career was either dismissed or retired, it's unclear, but he's done at syracuse. >> he didn't seem super happy about it, which ended last night. his legacy can't be overstated. he was at syracuse basketball for nearly half a century. he won a national title his first losing season was just last year. >> that's wild. >> but a tribute to the increasing attention span in america, boeheim is retired, i'm interested in baseball. spring training is going on. the world baseball classic is going on, go home, get on the couch and watch baseball. >> you two sound more hopeful after two weeks of spring training than you did before about the red sox. is that fair to say? i mean, the bar was low. >> instead of 74 games, i think we win about 76. >> we'll get you to 80.

>> i am forever hopeful. forever hopeful. this is the year. >> that's the point of spring training. >> it has been at least four times in this century so far, willie. how many do you have? >> oh, wow, end the show like that. >> we got the one in 2009. it was a great day, but it was a long time ago. that does it for us this morning. we will see you right back here tomorrow morning. moments from now the ceo of norfolk southern will testify before a senate panel on the east palestine train derailment. msnbc will carry that hearing live and much more after a quick final break. h more after aui qck final break.

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